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Monotheism vs Henotheism
[edit]Hi @P77.35.6R.S4, I noticed that you reverted my edit without providing an explanation. The original lead referenced ISKCON to be a monotheistic Hindu denomination. The article expands, under the section "Singular Worship of Krishna," how the denomination is monotheistic and provides a reference. You updated the lead to say "henotheistic" in lieu of "monotheistic" without provide any reference or expansion on this later in the article.
Without an explanation supported with a reliable source, I plan to revert the sentence back to it's original verbiage.
Thanks!
Whitestar12 (talk) 03:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Dāsānudāsa - Just saw your edits on the page and looks like that addresses this concern I had (since my original revert was reverted by the editor). Thanks!
- Whitestar12 (talk) 14:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, thanks for flagging it! Dāsānudāsa (talk) 12:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
"Hare Krishna movement"
[edit]This article lists "Hare Krishna movement" in bold as a synonym for ISKCON specifically. I am not sure this is correct. I think "Hare Krishnas" can also be members of other modern Vaishnava groups (Sri Caitanya Saraswat Math, the International Pure Bhakti Society, Swami Tripurari's sangha, etc.) and suggest it belongs on the Gaudiya Vaishnavism article instead, perhaps specifically in the 20th century section. Thoughts? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Concerns Over Unverified Claims in the Chattogram Clashes Incident
[edit]@Cerium4B: The claim about protesters chanting "Jai Shri Ram" during the Chattogram clashes is problematic due to the absence of credible references explicitly supporting this detail in the cited sources. References such as those from Daily Bangladesh, bdnews24, and The Business Standard discuss the unrest, the involvement of ISKCON members, and the violence but do not verify the use of this slogan. Including such a claim without reliable evidence introduces bias and may misrepresent the event by framing it as predominantly religious in nature. To adhere to Wikipedia’s verifiability and neutrality guidelines, any unverified claims or potentially inflammatory details should either be sourced from credible, published accounts.or omitted entirely to maintain the integrity and impartiality of the article.
Secondly, I also agree that the clash can be categorized under both persecution and criticism and controversies. However, why did you remove the sourced content, such as the statement that the unrest was triggered by a Facebook post from Osman Ali, a member of Jamat-e-Islami and a local shop owner, advocating for a ban on ISKCON?[1] You removed references from The Business Standard, ThePrint, NDTV and Livemint which are treated as reliable sources according to the Wikipedian community.
Aryan{Talk} 05:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please link the statement and sources you mentioned in the last paragraph, it certainly warrants attention. Aspweb (talk) 14:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
The murder of Abrar Fahad
[edit]The article says: "Amit Saha, who was given life imprisonment for the murder of Abrar Fahad was a member of the organisation" (ISKCON).
But Wiki also tells us that Amit Saha was also Deputy Law Secretary of the BUET Chhatra League.
All the other participants in the murder were members of the BUET Chhatra League and by name (but for one) were certainly not members of ISKCON.
Mehedi Hasan Robin, the Organizing Secretary of the BUET Chhatra League Amit Saha, the Deputy Law Secretary Mujtaba Rafid, the Deputy Office Secretary of BUET Chhatra League Khandaker Tabakkharul Islam Tanvir, a third-year Mechanical Engineering student Muntasir Al Jemi, a second-year student from the same department Shamsul Arefin Rafat, a second-year Mechanical Engineering student, Anik Sarkar, the Information and Research Secretary of BUET Chhatra League and a fourth-year Mechanical Engineering student Mujahidur Rahman, a third-year Electrical Engineering studentMujahidur Rahman, a third-year Electrical Engineering student
Thus, the murder is connected with Amit Saha's membership in the BUET Chhatra League and his membership in ISKCON is as irrelevant as his library membership, or the fact that all but one of the other culprits are members of Islam. Arun (talk) 14:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is part of the criticism and controversy. You will only find these mentioned there. If you go to the criticism section of Chatra League, you will find them there too. Nothing extra is mentioned here. Saadi095 (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion on removing bullet points for better reading as a prose.
[edit]Started this discussion after User:Cerium4B's edit history comment, please continue the discussion by reasoning your revert edits. Xoocit (talk) 10:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Xoocit,
- I requested you to discuss this before reverting my edit, but you didn’t respect that request. However, experienced users reviewed the changes and decided to keep the previous version, as it’s more detailed and better written. Let's move forward with that. - Cerium4B • Talk? • 15:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- You did not request me to discuss this, I said to start a TP discussion before reverting my edits. More details give WP:UNDUE weightage to the incidents that are isolated. Bullet points are not suitable for the said section, the section is also bigger than other major sections of the article which does not go with the due weightage of the critisms and controversies section.
- Moreover, the sources used for the Murder of Abrar Fahad are not reliable sources.
- The current section is too long, it violates WP:TMI and WP:INDISCRIMINATE as the incidents are too small to given this much detail on this page, you might consider making a separate page if WP:Notability is fullfiled for the aforementioned incidents. Xoocit (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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