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On 9 April 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mazda2. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Mio is not Latin

"Mio" is not a Latin term. The Wiktionary link indicates a number of Romance languages use this word for the first person possessive, and while all of them derive from the Latin meus (!!) there is no Latin form which arrives at "mio."

Demios called Demios outside Japan

The original Demio was called the Demio (including the facelift) in the British Isles for most of the time, but I remember seeing one which was called a 121 with some sub-title below - I'm not sure where it was from or if it was even right-hand-drive, but it was Irish-registered so there's chance it was sold here. Maybe it was sold for the short period before the Ford Fiesta-based 121 was released? --Zilog Jones 22:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2007 Model more sexy and attractive?

As a Mazda2 owner I feel the new model may well be more sleek but I don't consider it attractive. It is certainly less practical, more cramped with far less cargo space and has worse visibility when driving due to its lower profile. As with several Mazda2 owners that I know I will be going for a Mitsubishi Colt or even Nissan Tiida when trading in this year. So there! --MichaelGG (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. "Sexy and attractive" is not something everyone thinks when they see this car, and it certainly isn't a neutral observation. Citation is needed to prove that people who see this car are aroused and attracted to it. Otherwise, I feel "sleek" is more appropriate, if anything. 68.79.97.96 (talk) 18:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I made a change to the page before realizing that there was relevant discussion on it. I changed the intro section to say the 2007 model was a change in style which made it look sportier, which IMHO is almost as neutral as sleek. Actually, the WCOTY 2008 media release describes the 2007 model with phrases like sportier, not as one-box-ish, big thumbs up, and very appealing looks, so sexier it is! Might edit it some more now that I've read the article and didn't just assume what it would say. Damn newbies. Sorry MichaelGG, apparently the WORLD disagrees! ;-) (203.20.35.106 (talk) 08:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

2002 vs 2007 models

There seems to be some confusion in the "2002" section of this article between the 2002-2007 Mazda 2/Demio and the 2007 Mazda 2 model. Letdorf (talk) 00:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Hybrid vehicle?

Is there a reason why this article is in the category 'hybrid vehicles'?

I see nothing in the article, in reviews of the car, or in Mazda's own info on it mentioning anything about it being a hybrid. When I took one for a test drive, the salesman said nothing about hybrid technology.

If it is a hybrid, it seems it is being kept very quiet! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beev (talk • contribs) 17:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's how you know it's a hybrid! Fritter (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? Beev (talk) 22:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this was fixed after the above comments, but the article now includes a section about the proposed hybrid version, as well as a description of the e-4WD system. brian|bp 22:39, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Wankel hybrid version

"It would be mounted on its side" is really not clear. If an engine is laid on its side, that would usually mean rotating it 90 degrees about the crankshaft, and that's not likely what was intended. It would be much more clear to say " It would be mounted with the mainshaft vertical"... if that's the orientation which is intended. Simply repeating poorly written content from a source (the Motoring article in this case) doesn't make it good content. brian|bp 22:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Orientation issue fixed by finding clear reference and replace "on its side" terminology with "vertical mainshaft". brian|bp 03:15, 5 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian abp (talk • contribs)

Another bit copied directly from the the Motoring article is "Equipped with a nine-litre fuel tank that can be filled with petrol, butane or propane..." These seems wildly unlikely, as neither the same tank nor the same fuel plumbing would be suitable for both petrol and propane. brian|bp 22:47, 4 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian abp (talk • contribs)

North America?

Can someone comment (or add to the article, as appropriate) if future Mazda2s/Demios will be sold in North America? --Fletcher (talk) 17:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW: The Mazda 2 is still being sold in Canada as of Dec 2011 Santamoly (talk) 08:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Oppose: first gen models were not Mazda2s, but rather Mazda 121s. You should check this out first. OSX (talk • contributions) 12:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, it's other model car. --Tomcha (talk) 12:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Propose, The chassis lineage says all. The chassis is a D chassis, the Mazda 2 is the E (5th) evolution of it. The names change as markets and eras change, but the vehicle is of the same platform lineage. This applies to the Mazda 626 aka Mazda6 and Mazda 323 aka Mazda3 also. New articles for each name change makes people think these cars are 'new to the market' with no history or evolution behind them, which is wrong.

Mazda 2 and Fiesta

I don't get it. According to a SAE article referenced in the Fiesta wiki article, which seems credible, states that the Fiesta B3 platform was initiated by Ford. Mazda's code is DE, D- meaning the chassis code, and E- meaning 5th generation. They vaguely mention Mazda engineers, but boastfully mention "Dearborn" etc etc. Firstly, this arrangement is very unlike Ford, which has consistently used Mazda platforms to base their cars on since the mid 70s. I can't recall one actual Japan built Mazda model to use a Ford engineered chassis. Even the tribute is an adulteration of the Mazda G chassis (626) (GE to be exact). It's been widely pushed (and hard by Ford) to get this idea that the Mazda 3 (BK chassis. K being a generation evolution) was heavily influenced by Ford. Again, this doesn't make much sense, primarily because it's performance is so uncharacteristic of Ford, and Ford seems to have arrogantly slapped their "FoMoCo" logo on little knick knacks used on the JAPAN built Mazda 3 (like spark plugs, DBW throttle body, brake calipers etc). This really leaves people confused, thinking Ford did all the work. Ford never does all the work! Ford is a wizard with profits, brokering engineering and high-dollar marketing psychology.

That aside, what I'd like to know is: How does an alleged Ford led project and Ford chassis get to market AS A MAZDA one full year before Ford's own version does? Does that make sense to anyone? The Mazda2/Demio was fully selling worldwide and winning international awards before the design of the Fiesta was even finished. I think Ford is fibbing to journalist$. I think Ford is using their political power to take advantage of the honest engineers and humble corporate presence of, what you'd think to be, their friends at Mazda. The Ford Fusion is as much a Mazda as the Ford Probe. The Fusion singlehandedly began Fords renaissance as a company with some actual quality and driving dynamic. Coincidence? Too much of a coincidence. I'd like to see another reference to the project, than that one SAE article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.8.142 (talk) 03:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mazda 2 and Yaris

To make matters even more confusing, the Mazda2 is now made by Toyota in Mexico on the Yaris platform (or is it vice versa?), but no longer sold in Canada or the USA as a Mazda, but only as a Yaris (or Scion in the USA). Santamoly (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article before posting? - Areaseven (talk) 11:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mexican Yaris R

I'm tagging the discussion of the Mexican Yaris R model with a failed verification tag because—although my Spanish is a little rusty—the Héctor Mañón article on autocosmos.com does not appear to discuss the Belta and Vios sedans being marketed in Mexico under the Yaris nameplate. Can anyone verify this information from another source? Carguychris (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a published source with a discussion of the Mexican-market Yaris R vs. the Yaris Sedán. However, the section still has a couple of problems with verification. First, there is no citation for the detailed discussion of Mexican Yaris R options; the cited Toyota of Mexico press release only states that the car is sold in 3 versions, with no discussion of the differences between them. Second, the Voelcker article states that the Yaris R is sold in Puerto Rico, but does not actually discuss why. Further citations are still needed. Carguychris (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Title swap

As the "Demio" nameplate will be discontinued in Japan for the 2019 facelift model and will be renamed to "Mazda2", I think this article should be title-swapped with Mazda2 and separate the first generation/121 model to its own article. Any thoughts? Source 182.30.116.212 (talk) 13:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's customary on Wikipedia to name articles according to the model name used in the home market. I would prefer to leave this article basically as-is, create a new Mazda2 article for the subsequent renamed generations, and link back to this article for previous Mazda2/Demio generations; see Toyota Yaris for an example. Carguychris (talk) 13:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Customary? I disagree with this. I do agree with the title swap, so it should be split into two articles. 189.139.231.187 (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1996-2019 and 4 generations, vs a few months. The balance looks to fall on the side of keeping the old name. A redirect for the new name can lead to here. No need to split the article because of the new name. Stepho talk 23:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody split this article?

Can this article be split into two pages, Mazda Demio and Mazda 2, or rename this? The 2 is no longer called Demio in Japan. 189.139.231.187 (talk) 23:18, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't split an article just because of a name change. A WP:REDIRECT is the normal way to handle it. Of course, whether the new name is applied to the article or the redirect is always up for discussion, as per the previous talk topic. Stepho talk 23:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rename page to Mazda2

As this vehicle is no longer called the Demio, I think this article should be renamed to Mazda2. 73.2.129.126 (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I will create a move request. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Consider splitting the article first before re-requesting a move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 19:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mazda Demio → Mazda2 – or Mazda 2. No longer called Mazda Demio according to a user and the article itself. Mazda2 redirects to Mazda Demio, however it should be the other way around now Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm - perhaps there should be a split rather than a rename, as the first gen was never called "Mazda 2" anywhere. Demio could cover the first generation in detail, with a Set Index section to mention and link the remaining generations. Like at Mitsubishi Lancer. Mr.choppers | ✎ 19:59, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be a good idea. Also the reason I put the article to be moved to as Mazda2 or Mazda 2 was because I was unsure which style would be better to use for the article. Mr.choppers, Do you have any suggestions for as to how to do this? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not, but I reckon it should follow whatever style used by Mazda most recently. Mr.choppers | ✎ 20:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure that would be Mazda2 then. ANd since you don't maybe we should wait for other editors to find this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mild oppose - The argument for a split is more reasonable, but that can be discussed elsewhere another time. Currently this article is discussing a lineage which originates with the first generation Mazda Demio and which has been known as the Demio in its home market for most of its history. The Demio nameplate arguably has the most long-standing cultural relevancy thanks to Gran Turismo. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you in that a split is more reasonable. However, when the article calls it Mazda 2 in the template then maybe Mazda2 is the more well-known name. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the link says "Mazda2 or Mazda 2" at the top? It should be one or the other as it makes it confusing. 73.2.129.126 (talk) 14:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 19:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Split

Blaze The Wolf (and other interested editors), I am going to be bold and move ahead with the split. No need to request a technical move for a split, and I have seen no real opposition to it. Mr.choppers | ✎ 20:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone wants to create stub sections with specific Demio content, I welcome that. Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 21:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead. I was hoping someone would help us out with doing a split anyways cause I had no clue how. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]