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Lists of Space opera and Military Science Fiction fiction media

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I think that we should try to merge these list articles: space opera and msf articles with their respective parent-pages: space opera, military science fiction. Me myself, tried to put some exemples into boxes in the main space opera article. I think we can successfully imbue the factual articles with the respective exemples that make sense and aren't just statistics. I think we should do that as well as for msf and space western, too. I think we should do that. These categories and bubble gums are just rubbish. We can imbue the actual articles without making protracted lists that only bore the fandom and the actual representation in this space opra and Starship Troopers as a whole is much more definitive than just a stupid list with no definitive art meaning in the article... just numbers... nothing. I say MERGE asap!

Regards: The Mad Hatter (talk)
I did some changes already to military science fiction as well as space opera articles and hope to proceed with merge soon. I will continue add exemples to msf, but I hope it will not cross-over with the space opera medias. I try to brand the uniques.
All the best:The Mad Hatter (talk)
  •  Done For 3 weeks nobody said a thing, and I decided by Merging guidelines to be bold and perform the merge. Did a bunch of work; history and related stuff is saved, but the pages are redirected. Hope to get assistance, soon.
The Mad Hatter (talk)

Was the list deleted? It was really useful but now I can't find it? 59.167.111.154 (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After some searching I found it. Copying it here for reference because it really is a priceless list and we shouldn't lose it. 59.167.111.154 (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion should be consolidated to only one location. Please take all discussion to Talk:Military science fiction#Merge Lists of Space opera and Military Science Fiction fiction media. — Makyen (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List copied from old list of media page

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This list should be included on the Space Opera page somehow because it would be a terrible waste to lose is. 59.167.111.154 (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about making it a new article a list of Sci-Fi/Space Opera related media? Also, I for one would delete dark matter from the TV section in the article, as it is by far not as influential as the other franchises (applies to Guardians also): tried to see if somebody edited that in recently to revert, but the edit history is a nightmare. Diceypoo (talk) 10:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Extended content

Literature

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Novels and series (ordered chronologically by date of first publication)
Anthologies and collections
Short fiction
Manga
Comic books

Film and television

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Anime

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Stage

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  • Space Opera (Opera)[37]
  • Opera Galactica (Opera)[38]

Tabletop games

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Card games

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Role-playing games

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Video games

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Social games

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Addition of Dune prequel series

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I know Dune is considered a landmark of soft science fiction, but I read some of the prequels and it also has hard science fiction in it. I also know Dune isn't considered space opera, but the prequels are since they involve galactic space battles and that's what space opera is. So i think mentioning the prequels here at least OK--Taeyebaar (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking for more sources

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There's a quote form George Lucas that says his works of Star Wars is soft science fiction. There's a source that I added that says Star Wars become hard science fiction, now I need to add the source that says it's soft science fiction, so don't remove the part that says it soft sci-fi, I still need to add it.--Taeyebar 19:34, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ender...Space Opera?

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Ender's Game was serious science fiction, even Speculative Fiction, the precise opposite of Space Opera. We need some serious sources if the claim that it's space opera is going to remain in the article. — Kaz (talk) 02:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This was my reaction too.

Ninjalectual (talk) 04:40, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Parodies are themselves examples of Space Opera.

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Fredric Brown's What Mad Universe has as its protagonist a sober-headed science fiction magazine editor who suddenly finds himself transported to an alternative history timeline where all the space opera elements (a larger-than-life space hero fighting evil aliens who are totally bent on humanity's destruction, etc.) are concrete, daily life realities.

Harry Harrison's Bill, the Galactic Hero parodies the conventions of classic space opera,[1] as does his Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers, and his short story, Space Rats of the CCC - the Combat Camel Corps.

Jack Vance's Space Opera has an opera company go on tour into space.

The comedy film Spaceballs, directed and co-written by Mel Brooks, is a science fiction parody with many space opera characteristics. The anime Space Dandy by Studio Bones often parodies other science fiction works and the space opera subgenre.

So, why remove them? NickyMcLean (talk) 12:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this seems like a good take to me.

Ninjalectual (talk) 04:41, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Lilley, Ernest (August 2003). "Review". SFRevu. Retrieved 2009-02-28.

Foundation … space opera?

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The Foundation series seems a poor fit for the definitions given of space opera. It is true that the basic setting is what one might expect in a space opera, but Asimov's actual stories see very little of adventure or warfare (when wars aren't avoided entirely, they tend to take place elsewhere and between scenes); if anything, it's more like a deconstruction of space opera than actual space opera (unless possibly if one goes by the definition that any "good old stuff" is space opera, which does not seem the mainstream interpretation). Calling the Foundation series a space opera is kind of like calling The West Wing an action series—both feature similar amounts of smart people in meeting rooms discussing serious politics.

Source-wise, the support provided for labelling the Foundation series as space opera seems to be only that it was included in the above list of space opera, which regarding the Foundation series only quotes one web page (now dead, but preserved in the internet archive) that is a biography of Isaac Asimov and only once in passing calls the Foundation series space opera. That seems a poor source on the matter. 78.73.97.76 (talk) 17:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a fair criticism, though I wouldn't have objected to leaving it either. What would you suggest in its place? How about Star Wars? Or personally, I'm partial to Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth series of books.

Ninjalectual (talk) 04:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Expanse ... space opera?

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The definition of space opera is undergoing such creep as to be almost meaningless. If The Expanse, probably the hardest science fiction ever televised, is space opera, then virtually anything is.

--Neopeius (talk) 22:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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