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Shreveport?

I can't help but notice there's a block at the bottom relating to Louisianna. Am I wrong in thinking Hope is not near there? Wilybadger (talk) 00:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shreveport, LA is about 85 miles from Hope, AR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.15.158 (talk) 22:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Airport

This sentence is puzzling: "Paul Klipsch used to joke that his desk was not in the same spot as the one he had during his United States Army service at the Proving Ground; it was on the other side of the room." Klipsch is mentioned later in the article, but what does this mean and what does it have to do with the airport having a long runway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RGarella (talk • contribs) 07:22, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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lynching

@Magnolia677: asked, "why it is necessary to list every lynching"?

Lynchings are when members of the community come together to subvert law and justice. Not only do they physically lynch a minority but then through the use of violence and intimidation of the majority of community or city they cover it up. That is pretty notable. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 03:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thats Just Great: First, the source says it happened in Guernsey, not Hope, so this should have been added to Hempstead County, Arkansas. But my concern is whether details of all 4,467 lynchings should be listed on a Wikipedia geographic article corresponding to the site of the murder. There is no question these were terrible, violent acts, but not all were "notable". For example, at Duck Hill, Mississippi, I wrote a very detailed history of a lynching of two black men that occurred there in 1937. Another editor later created an article about it, Lynching of Roosevelt Townes and Robert McDaniels. But this incident received international media attention. Likewise, there were over 19,000 homicides in the United States last year, and some were so notable they have their own Wikipedia article. But if an editor wished to add details of each of these 19,000 homicides to every city article where the murder occurred--or details of the 12 murders that occurred in Hope between 2006 and 2017--there would likely be pushback based on WP:NOTNEWS. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Magnolia677: Again you're equating "normal" homicides with lynchings. The very nature of a lynching, how it subverts the American legal system, is almost like a revolution or criminal conspiracy. Add to that the aftermath of a lynching where a large part of the community conspires to cover it up makes these events notable. This is especially true in small communities where lynchings occurred as almost the whole population didn't speak up. They were either protecting the murderers or used of threats of violence against others to force silence. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 16:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thats Just Great: Let me see if I have this straight, there's a kind of a scale of how terrible a murder is, going from "normal" (man shoots neighbor) to "beyond normal" (a lynching). In other words, the murder of Kristen French, a 15-year-old who was abducted, tortured, raped and murdered, would be a "normal" murder, as would the murder of George Floyd, while the lynching of Hullen Owens, who pulled a gun on a police officer trying to recover stolen items, is a much more terrible killing...one "beyond normal". Is this correct? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Magnolia677: Maybe he shot a police officer, maybe he was being framed by the police, maybe he was just walking by and police thought he fit the description of "young and black" and arrested him, maybe they just pulled some random Black man off the street so they didn't have to admit that the real criminal got away. We will never know because there was never a trial. There was never any evidence put forward in a court of law. On top of that THOUSANDS of people in a town of just 11,000 swarmed the city like a mob of sentient zombies calling for his blood. Probably hundreds of these participated directly in the crime of breaking into the prison, hundreds of these people had direct contact with him either throwing a punch, tying him to the car, building a pyre, igniting the fire. Everyone in that city either saw the lynching take place or knew someone who was there. Then hundreds of people including law enforcement, district attorneys, judges and city officials covered it up. If you don't think all that is notable, if you don't think all that merits one sentence in a community's history then I don't know what to tell you -- Thats Just Great (talk) 23:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]