Talk:Kosovo District

Note

Note: All official material made by Government of Serbia is public by law. Information was taken from official website.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Avala (talk • contribs) 12:28, 2 June 2004 (UTC)

• is HISTORY like OSMAN HISTORY - BULGARIEN - BIZANZ- ROME - ILIRIEN but UNMIK is REAL --Hipi Zhdripi 02:42, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

NO

Note: All official material made by UNMIK. Information was taken from (en) SOK Statistical Office of Kosovo - (sr) Zavod za Statistiku (sq) Kosova - Enti i Statistikës së Kosovës (ESK).— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hipi Zhdripi~enwiki (talk • contribs) 17:45, 23 April 2005 (UTC)

Delet

This articel must be deledet or mergerd in one articel called Districts of Kosovo durin Milosevic time.--Hipi Zhdripi 03:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

We should not delete this, but keep it as an historical article. We can also write one new article named Districts in Kosovo 1990-1999 where we can mention these 5 districts, but we should also keep these 5 articles and put them into "History of Kosovo" and "Serbian history" categories, since they in fact do not exist any more after 1999. PANONIAN (talk) 08:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

THis page should be deleted completely its fake district that is not Kosovo district its PRISHTINA district --Lontech (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree, this article should be deleted IMMEDIATELY, it's FAKE! What is wrong with you Serbs!!!??? I can't understand Wikipedia allowing this kind of unacceptable behaviour. My advice will be not allowing any Serb writing about Kosovo, because everything you write is dishonest and untrue! 176.23.3.11 (talk) 23:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of this article

Discussion moved from User talk:Cunard

This is Serbian Propaganda

check Kosovo to see what I am talking about —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lontech (talk • contribs) 18:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

write some sources about this Existence of this Districts

International Sources

there are NONE

Bring back the tags until you find sources

and i assure you will not find any -- LONTECH 19:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

This district appears to exist per this Google Books search. The tone of the article can be resolved through normal editing. If you still believe that this is a hoax, feel free to take this article to WP:AFD. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 19:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe existed during Milosevic Regime But dont exist anymore

check kosovo http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html-- LONTECH 22:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the link. First, notability is not temporary, so the fact that Kosovo district existed and has received coverage in reliable sources means that it is notable. Second, your link proves that Kosovo district exists; see here. Cunard (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Fushë Kosovë/Kosovo Polje is not a District it is MUNICIPALITY check Kosovo_Polje-- LONTECH 04:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Very true. I have asked Avala (talk · contribs), the creator of Kosovo District, to weigh in on this discussion. Cunard (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any problem here. [1] the map of districts on the gov website, Kosovo district is the one where it reads Косовски округ.--Avala (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a big problem because i cant find this map (district) on credible International Organizations such as UN,OSCE,EU etc the map you provided adds Kosovo as part of republic of serbia while it is not part of it so this is PROPAGANDA

I would add kosovo government map but i think OSCE is more credible institution and i cant find this district there http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html-- LONTECH 11:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

You have to differentiate districts of Kosovo per the Govt of Serbia and per the Govt of Kosovo. Intl organizations can choose which division they'll use but they are not the ones deciding.--Avala (talk) 09:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Govt of Serbia and per the Govt of Kosovo - this dont make any sense Government of Serbia don't control kosovo anymore If this district existed from 1990 till 1999 during milosevic regime its ok but dont exist anymore If you think sill exist list any International source not Serbian Propaganda. -- LONTECH 05:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: I have moved this discussion from User talk:Cunard to Talk:Kosovo District. Cunard (talk) 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Serbia

@Ktrimi991, Durraz0, and Uniacademic: Greeting. All five districts of Serbia in Kosovo (and Metohija) still exist today. Not to mention that all these districts also have their own leadership. The situation is similar with the districts of Cyprus on the territory of North Cyprus. I won't even talk about bias in the sentence "at that time, Kosovo was part of Serbia". — Ruach Chayim (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Why do you take as an example Northern Cyprus which has no recognition at all apart from that of Turkey? For one, Taiwan's districts are not described as districts of China (e.g. Shanhua District). Idk if Serbia claims those "districts" continue to exist. If you can bring reliable sources for that, we should add that clarification to the article. In any case, your wording was misleading because those districts do not exist anymore. They might be claimed to exist, and that is far from actually existing. In other words, those districts ceased to exist when Serbia lost control over their territory. If Serbia claims that they continue to exist, then the article should say sth like "From the Serbian point of view, the district continues to be part of the Republic of Serbia". Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I made a change there [2]. Does it look better? Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I gave the example of Cyprus and Northern Cyprus because the situation is very similar. Taiwan is a completely different story and a non-permanent member of the UN, while Kosovo is recognized as part of the sovereign territory of Serbia (just as Northern Cyprus is recognized as part of Cyprus). The article is still not good because it states that "it was a district of Kosovo and Metohija". Of course, Serbia claims that these districts exist (which is literally written in the article), considering that it sees Kosovo and Metohija as part of its territory (1). So, the same as in the article Kyrenia District, Serbia (and Cyprus and all other countries) do not claim that "from their point of view the district exists" but that it exists, period.— Ruach Chayim (talk) 14:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

It does not. We'll take this to the WP:ANI where we can see there if you can keep up your POV. AlexBachmann (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ruach Chayim: These districts do not exist since 1999 and Serbia doesn't claim that they exist in a de jure manner. All acts of the Serbian government in relation to Kosovo are handled by the Office for Kosovo and Metohija in accordance to agreements which are in place for more than 10 years in cooperation with the Government of Kosovo. This is both the de facto and de jure situation. You're pushing for the inclusion of statements which the government of Serbia doesn't support even in principle. Familiarize yourself with the subject a bit more in order to avoid such edits in the future - North Cyprus has nothing at all to do with Kosovo.--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Maleschreiber: Greeting. Before reverting the edits, I would like to ask you to do a little research on the topic. Districts of Serbia in Kosovo and Metohija still exist today, and they have their own leadership (1). The political and legal status of Northern Cyprus and Kosovo is almost identical. I'm just drawing a parallel. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

No, they don't "have their own leadership" - Serbia's stance for North Kosovo is another subject which shouldn't be confused with what we're discussing. These structures don't exist since 1999. There's nothing in common between them as Kosovo is recognized by half the world and it is a member of almost all major international organizations.--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

"It is a member of almost all major international organizations", well I guess that nobody cares about a completely irrelevant organization like the UN? I won't even talk about "Kosovo is recognized by half the world", when literally the majority of humanity does not recognize Kosovo. So, I repeat - Serbia still has active districts in Kosovo (and Metohija) - so, not in the north of Kosovo, the south or anywhere else, but in the entire territory (1), just like Cyprus in the territory of the so-called Northern Cyprus. For God's sake, do some research. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ruch Chayim: Kosovo and North Cyprus aren't even comparable. North Cyprus is a diplomatically isolated entity, while Kosovo certainly isn't by any means or standards. The districts which were created after 2008 include the new Serbian-majority municipalities which were created, and these are themselves part of the agreements reached between Kosovo and Serbia. The districts which you claim to exist predate these changes, they ceased to exist following 1999. Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo de jure, but this doesn't mean that Serbia doesn't recognize the de fact situation or that the bilateral agreements which recognize the situation after 1999 between them don't exist.Lezhjani1444 (talk) 19:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I left the link above. But the same applies to you - do some research and only then revert the edits. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Ruach Chayim, Wikipedia is not based on politics. It's a weak argument to compare two states to achieve a certain POV for the most time. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Of course it is based on politics. However, as I said above, the districts of Serbia in Kosovo still exist today, for which I also left a link above, and since no one has refuted my claims, nor is it possible given that their validity can be checked by simple Googling, I will put the edits back on. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 21:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Even if that were true the editors disagree with you. You have to show clear and convincing evidence, if that were the case, you could add it. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I've already added the proof (link), and as I said, it's easy to check with a simple Google search. I'm sorry if you don't like the facts. The editors from above did not even announce themselves after the proof was submitted. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll just repeat what the admin said:

"nationalistic edits across five articles"

Do I have to say more? While you're there, your intention is pretty clear behind this, this won't go through. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

First, I would ask you to be careful about the accusations. The administrator's attention has already been drawn to the mistake he made with such an accusation. Anyway, I see you've run out of arguments. Thank you for confirming the factual situation and the existence of these five districts. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not accusing you of anything, as opposed to your claim that I'm pushing "pro-Albanian propaganda". I just repeat what the admin said. And do not twist the words that I've written (or not?). AlexBachmann (talk) 21:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Durraz0: Greeting, again. Instead of mindlessly reverting edits, you might deign to join the discussion since you've already been tagged. So I have provided proof of the existence of these districts. Do you have literally any counter-evidence, and I'll even appreciate an internet forum? — Ruach Chayim (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Greetings, first and foremost do not insult me by saying I am "mindlessly reverting edits". you made an rv and claimed it was per the talk page[3], something which is not true as the discussion was still going on. not only that but the consensus among editors engaged in this discussion is clearly against the revert you made, therefor i reverted it. Durraz0 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't mean to insult you, I sincerely apologize if I did. I returned the edit after 7 days from the start of the discussion. No one answered during that time. But in any case, I repeat again, do you have any proof that these districts do not exist or do you simply not like the factual situation? Ruach Chayim (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

You have been told the reasons by several editors. Better move on and do sth more productive than requesting arguments already elaborated on. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

No, I didn't get an answer. The editors above stated that these districts do not exist since 1999, after which I provided proof and no one replied after that. I repeat for the third time - do you have any evidence that these districts do not exist, because I'm getting the impression that you do not like the factual situation at all. Ruach Chayim (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, go to Kosovo and take a walk around the country. You’ll notice they have their own administrative divisions, governed by an independent government that enforces its own laws and regulations. Serbia has no official power over or within Kosovo. None at all. Stop POV pushing, going against consensus and challenging basic logic and understanding. The Serbian districts no longer exist. Kosovo is independent and has its own districts, accept it and move on. Botushali (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Take a walk through Kyrenia and try to find the flag of the Republic of Cyprus, the same applies to, for example, Ukraine/Crimea or Georgia/Abkhazia. People, let's get serious and stop with the narrative "I don't care, Kosovo is independent, Serbia has nothing there, I don't care about the rest". These districts exist, they even have their own leadership. For the fourth time, I ask - does anyone have real evidence that these districts do not exist? Ruach Chayim (talk) 09:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Of course Serbian sources will claim that these imaginary districts exists, however, this POV will never be a part of Wikipedia. (The Serbian Wikipedia also claims that Skanderbeg was Serbian, does that mean this should be applied here? To give you an answer: no.) That simple. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

So, I'll say it again. These districts exist, just like the districts of Cyprus in the territory of Northern Cyprus. Moreover, they have their own leadership, and I have provided the evidence. Let's do it for the fifth time - does anyone actually have proof that these districts don't exist? Ruach Chayim (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggest leaving this POV content out of Wikipedia since it's already not looking good for you. While you're at it, WP:CIVIL. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Still not a single proof. Ruach Chayim (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)