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Article rewrite

I boldly rewrote the article. I'm still not particularly happy with it, but at least it has more of an encyclopedic tone about it now. Can anyone find a reference for fishing for overcalls? I'm not sure the topic deserves inclusion in the article. Opinions? Also, I think the term "slow play" is far more common today than "sandbag". Any consensus on renaming the article to "Slow playing (poker)"?--Toms2866 18:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a good idea. Slow playing and slow play is far more common. However there are existing redirects from Slowplay and Slowplaying, so perhaps one of them should be chosen. Scrunching the words together is done. On the other hand, Slow playing (poker) uses the words separately and is a normal structure so I'd support the move if you want to do that -- also setting up a redirect from Slow play (poker). 2005 19:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the article from "Sandbagging (poker)" to "Slow play (poker)". I picked Slow play instead of Slow playing to stay consistent with the other poker articles, which tend not to use the "ing" ending: Draw (poker), Check-raise (poker), Isoloation (poker), etc. The page's edit history and talk page moved over fine. I fixed the double redirects.--Toms2866 21:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check raising as a slow play

Sandbagging is NOT the same as slowplaying, one is not a "special case" of the other. This is made clear on the link provided to Sklansky. He says they are not identical. In fact, it's worse than that -- they're not even similar. A slowplay is an attempt to KEEP people in a pot, when you have what you think is a very strong hand that will almost certainly win. A check-raise is most often used to KNOCK PLAYERS OUT of a pot, when you think you have a strong hand, but not a VERY strong hand. This goal is exactly the opposite goal of a slowplay. I think this really needs to be cleared up (Sklansky's book is a good place to start). Revolver 04:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I agree that Sklansky differentiates between check-raising and slowplaying as you described. There's a separate article for sandbagging (poker), so I'm inclined to mention the difference between slow-playing and check-raising and reference the check-raise article.--Toms2866 21:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]