Talk:Stahlhelm

9mm proof?

In the introduction it says that the Stahlhelm was capable of turning direct hits from 9mm bullets and buckshot, sometimes without damage to the helmet. I think this is doubtful at best. A steel helmet may certainly turn a glancing blow, or stop shrapnel, but direct buckshot or pistol bullets? This claim absolutely needs a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.181.138 (talk) 21:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

United States

The "Personnel Armour System for Ground Troops" (PASGT) helmet is modern version of the Stahlhelm. The shape of PASGT helmet is very similar to the Wehrmacht Stahlhelm used by the Heer during Word War 2. Some soldiers have nicked-named it the "Fritz" helmet for it's resemblance to the German Helmet of WWII. The PASGT helmet is made primarily from kevlar instead of steel. Beowulf cam (talk) 17:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The current US helmet indeed bares a canny resemblance to the Stahlhelm. Any reason then why it isn't in the list of countries that used (or in this case: are using) a Stahlhelm-type helmet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.2.136 (talk) 00:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, it isn't made of steel for starters.--172.190.44.239 (talk) 06:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well. There is a photo of the Chilean Honor Guard wearing "German Style" helmets in the article but one can see from the photo, they're not made of steel. Looks like fiberglass. So... Anyway. I think, at this time, the question needs to be asked regarding the PASGT; is this a "German Style" helmet, or even justifiable to be classified as one just because there's a skirt and extended ear protection? Hmmmmm. --XB70Valyrie (talk) 00:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The PASGT resembles a Stahlhelm, but that doesn't make it a Stahlhelm. Two objects designed for the same purpose will likely end up looking a little similar, even though the Stahlhelm has more of a true skirt over the ears and neck, while the PASGT has what could also be described as flaps over the ears, like a baseball helmet, and the rear skirt isn't nearly flared as much. Best regards,TheBaron0530 (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)theBaron0530

Modern use of Stahlhelm design

Just did an . / s?q=feuerwehrhelm on Google under "Feuerwehrhelm" and learned (confirming what I thought a rumour) that modified versions of the Stahlhelm are in use by firefighters. Just my 2¢. - knoodelhed 06:34, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

(Aluminum) helmets in the classic Stahlhelm shape have been used for decades by volunteer fire departments. They used to be dark red with a white stripe, now they are yellow fluorescent with a white reflective stripe. --217.238.38.38 (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

IMHO the article lacks on more pieces of information about the modern use of Stahlhelm : e.g.,in this video one can see the honor guard of the Bundeswehr bearing,if not the Stahlhelm,a helmet strongly alike and so in this pic from a sister-project.Besides,why not talk more about the Chilean Army Stahlhelm?Altough I am a militaria-otaku,however,I do not have satisfying notions to edit this page by myself.Hence,if someone could courteously give me a little help... A.Bahn--83.211.54.242 (talk) 22:32, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't this included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.145.191.157 (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Spain also received shipments of the helmet.

Well, a local version was produced at the Trubia weapons factory (Asturias). The locally produced Stahlhelm was in service until the 1990s.Randroide 12:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Darth Vader

Does anyone have information/documentation suggesting the Stahlhelm was an inspiration for the helmet of Darth Vader? --Dpr 03:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I've always suspected that Lucas's inspiration for the Empire was Nazi Germany. Storm troopers, the officer's uniforms and of course Vader's helmet suggests so. - DrFod 04:53, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

He admits freely that Triumph of the Will influenced some of the cinematography in Star Wars. It's plain to see he took a lot of design cues from Nazi Germany for the Galactic Empire, and things such as the name of the stormtroopers. I'm not sure if any of that merits a mention in this article, though. boffy_b 12:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I would think that the "Pop Culture" section would be a good place for these references Zanter 19:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Vader's helmet is not reminiscent of a Japanese kabuto. Rama 14:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ralph McQuarrie's "Star Wars Portfolio," consisting of prints of his original artwork of designs for the movie, includes a color depiction of the climactic duel between Vader and Ben Kenobi. The comments include a note that Vader's armor is largely inspired by samurai armor. I think the similarity to the Stahlhelm is rather coincidental. Best regards,

Yes, a lot of the costumes were based on WW2 uniforms. Darth Vaders helmet is a bit of a mix between a stahlhelm and a samurai helmet. However, The mould for the Helmet was not directly moulded out of an existing helmet, unlike other Star Wars helmets, but was instead sculpted out of clay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:C23:C443:1100:5CD1:B5AA:A7E4:A79A (talk) 01:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

TheBaron0530 (talk)theBaron0530 —Preceding undated comment added 20:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Stahlhelm decals

The new text added by User 71.102.122.174 introduces a subject far more complex than touched on so far. Virtually every German military and naval service and every political organization applied its own decals to the M1935/40, so the subject of Stahlhelm decals requires far more than the couple of sentences inserted thus far. Anyone up for creating a new paragraph or section that deals with Stahlhelm insignia, thereby properly covering this complex subject? Jack Bethune 02:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to Chris Hedley, this topic at last has been added,and readers are able to learn more about the subject of Stahlhelm decals. Chris's initial efforts were invaluable. I have attempted to add to his work and offer extra information and history regarding the use of Stahlhelm decals. Those with an interest in this subject are welcome to add their thoughts, as the treatment is still very sketchy at this stage. Anyone able to add illustrations? Jack Bethune 15:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Much as I'd like to take the credit, I just reorganised things a bit! The actual text was created by 71.102.122.174 (talk • contribs) and 151.204.129.119 (talk • contribs); they deserve the credit for doing the research. Chris 16:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Switch to Aramid helmet by BGS

After the war, the German Bundeswehr continued to call their standard helmet Stahlhelm, but the design was based on the American M1 helmet. The Bundesgrenzschutz, however, continued to use the original German design, until either troop switched to the new M92 Aramid helmet.[clarification needed][1] From [[1]] it appears that BGS switched to that model in the mid 90s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naor (talk • contribs) 20:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Pictures

Since the Stahlhelm was mainly worn by German troops, some images about German soldiers wearing Stahlhelme are definitely missing.217.85.87.5 18:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Parody

Here a link to the German version of the plastic Stahlhelm: http://www.swr.de/-/id=1253658/property=detail/width=160/height=120/ug28u6/index.jpg 217.85.87.5 18:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Parodies of everythig exist, I see no reason to include them in every Wikipedia article if we're serious about an Encyclopedia. Ulritz 14:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This parody created a controversy and is very well documented (hence it's referenced) and was all over Dutch and international news during the E.C. It deserves to be included and it will remain included. Rex 14:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

If anywhere, this belongs at 2006 World Cup fads, despite being insignificant enough to even have a reference (saying it does doesnt change the fact it doesnt). Ulritz 14:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It has references. If you deny it let me help you: http://www.ad.nl/wkvoetbal/article97198.ece? Rex 14:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Since this isnt a Dutch phenomenon, I will rephrase the last section to give it the weight and scope it deserves. Ulritz 15:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Unacceptable. It is referenced information and the reasons you've presented to remove the section are not enough. Rex 15:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It is irrelevant to the topic, regardless of how referenced it is. Ameise -- chat 02:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Naturally it is relevant. Rex 08:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, great comeback. how is it relevent at all? I can make a cheese helmet and write the word "Holland" on it, does that make it a parody of the Netherlands? Ameise -- chat 14:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

No that would only make you look stupid I guess. Do note that this is the Stahlhelm we're talking about, one of thé symbols of nazism. This has a little more value that you wearing a cheese helmet. This parody shows that Europe is "getting over" its world war II traumas. Do you honestly think wearing an orange steelhelmet would have been possible here 15 years ago?! It's 2006, over 60 years after the war and it still causes a lot of trouble but it came over that, it wasn't forbidden and the majority of the people thought it was fun rather than neo-nazi-like. Are you blind?Rex 14:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

(ps. Your removal of " ==Parody== " is acceptable. To me.Rex 14:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC))

Where is the consensus? All I see is mud-slinging at two users who disagree with your one-man "consensus". Ulritz 22:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Above you snide comment: "YOUR REMOVAL OF PARODY IS ACCEPTABLE TO ME" no further reverts were made hence CONSENSUS.Rex 23:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Your egoistic, bad faith blanket reverts will be reverted on sight, just to let you know. Ulritz 23:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Fallschirmjäger version

Only the earliest versions of the Fallschirmjäger helmet were actual, customized modifications of existing M1935 helmets. By far, the majority of issued Fallschirmjäger helmets had nothing "removed." Instead, they were designed and manufactured in an original form that was "lacking" the extended features of the standard helmet, so the paragraph is correctly worded as is. Jack Bethune 21:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Japanese bicycle helmets

Under the heading 'Postwar' the article mentions that there are also some Japanese bicycle helmets (with accompanying goggles) that resemble the Stahlhelm. Is there any more info on those helmets? Links, photos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.130.172 (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Stahlhelm used by the 10th Brigade

Edited the caption of picture File:Dzialon armaty PPanc wz 36.jpg which has a description of "wz. 36 AT gun crew of the Polish 10th Brigade". Problem with that erroneous statement under the picture is that the Finnish troops used the helmet in mass number, and the picture is probably of them. To argue my point... the Polish 10th Brigade was a TANK UNIT, so why does the picture show ordinary infantryman fighting on the ground. Also, note the cylinder shaped gear containers worn by the soldiers in the picture, Polish soldiers NEVER had those issued to them, they were used by the Axis forces only. Another problem is that you can notice that the soldier laying on the ground is wearing knee high combat boots, but Polish solders had boots that went just above the ankle. Finally, the soldiers in the picture are wearing WINTER COATS, but as the picture caption claimed it was taken during the September 1939 invasion of Poland, So, clearly these are not troops of the Polish 10th Brigade.

is this supposed to be a stahlhelm?

I'm looking into the helmets use in modern media ad I wanted to know if this was it http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/0/0e/Mgs3_gru_motorcycle.jpg --173.63.7.27 (talk) 04:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

is this supposed to be a stahlhelm?

I'm looking into the helmets use in modern media ad I wanted to know if this was it http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/0/0e/Mgs3_gru_motorcycle.jpg --173.63.7.27 (talk) 04:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Question about the NRA soldier

The image name clearly states that he is of the Wang Jingwei puppet regime. Perhaps the caption shouldn't read "Chinese Nationalist Army?"68.145.212.169 (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

You are right. I have changed the image caption accordingly. Next time you find an error, you can rectify it youself immediately by editing the page. Alfons Åberg (talk) 06:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Norwegian army

As part of the m51 uniform regulation the Norwegian army adopted the german stahlhelm. When germany capitulated there were several hundred thousand german soldiers in Norway. When they were shipped back to germany, they left behind most of their weaponry and equipment to the Norwegian Army. In the fifties the Norwgian Army adopted the US m43 uniform as m51 and started using all types of german helmets, m16, m35, m40 and m42. The helmets were given a new paint job and two norwegian lion decals. In the sixties the army adopted the US style Nato helmet and passed on the german helmets to the home guard (heimevernet) who used them until the nineties. Some helmets were also given to the industrial air defence (industrivern). They were painted yellow and given a new liner.

Helmets in use: http://forsvaret.no/om-forsvaret/fakta-om-forsvaret/historie/Sider/1900-tallet-og-verdenskriger.aspx

Post war lion decal: http://www.ima-usa.com/norwegian-helmet-decal.html

212.251.152.162 (talk) 18:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Stirnpanzer brow plate

In what section of the article should the "Stirnpanzer" brow plate be described? M11rtinb (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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use of the Stahlhelm in the black September hostage crisis in 1972

The article mentions in the postwar section(for context of talks about the West Germany still using them), "police units can be seen wearing them during footage of the Black September hostage crisis in 1972". what footage? couldn't find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VacoTank (talk • contribs) 05:41, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Belgium is on the list of users

What kind of stahlhelms did Belgium use Ekse.long (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

What kind of stahlhelm did Belgium use Ekse.long (talk) 04:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Belgium on the list of users

Did Belgium make their own stahlhelm and for which war Ekse.long (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Belgium is on the list of users

How did Belgium obtain the stahlhelm, did they make their own Ekse.long (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Article Clean-up

I've started to clean up this article. It's an absolute mess of random disjointed and convoluted statements, most of which are without citation.

I removed the section on German reunification since it's plainly wrong. the source it cites clearly states, and shows with pictures, that they do not use the Stahlhelm, but the modern Gefechtshelm with a different suspension system to make it easier to don and doff during parade movements (i.e. for prayers during the Grosser Zapfenstreich).

In the lead, Pickelhaube does not mean "spiked helmet". It's a derivation of the German term for a bascinet, as the German wikipedia states.

"The term Stahlhelm refers both to a generic steel helmet and more specifically to the distinctive German military design." is in the lead; that's just plain wrong. This is the English wikipedia, in English it only refers to the German variants from the two world wars. In German it may be a catch-all term, but that's not the concern of the English wikipedia. Do we have an English source that refers to the post-war helmets as Stahlhelms, and not just in the form of stating it was their official name? Even the German wikipedia page states that this name is ambiguous, and goes over a multitude of steel helmets from many countries.

I believe that everything beyond the East German helmets should be removed with only short statements about the Stahlhelm's replacement in various militaries. The article should be focused on the archetypal Stahlhelm and not every steel helmet ever used in Germany.

--2607:FEA8:E983:F200:E89E:2E8D:73F3:9D75 (talk) 01:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm just passing through, but I agree with "The article should be focused on the archetypal Stahlhelm and not every steel helmet ever used in Germany." —DocWatson42 (talk) 06:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Parking this for general use

I just deleted this from the very bottom of the article, but it seems to me that it might be of use to other editors:

Quick read:

The stalhelm was first introduced in 1916 during the first world war. During {World war 1} The stalhelm during ww1 came in 3 varients, the m1916, the m1917, and the m1918. The m1918 is quite rare, and differed from the stalhelm varients such as the m16 and m17. High command got word of soldiers complaining of difficulty hearing in the trenches, so the m1918 was employed with bits of rounded steel coving the soldiers ears. The m1918 was used very infrequently and in small numbers towards the end of the war.

During {World war two} and years prior, the m1935, m1940 and m1942 helmets where used. Prior to the {Nazi party}'s rise to power, in the Weimar republic, Helmets from {world war one} where used, mainly the m1916 and m1917 varients.

Note that "varients" should be "variants". —DocWatson42 (talk) 06:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)