Talk:Thai television soap opera

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This article needs to establish whether a Lakorn is just a translation of "television serial" or more than just that. If it's just a translation it should be redirected to the english title, or moved to Thai television serials. Joe D (t) 19:14, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I think it's pretty well explained that it's a Thai term, and a specific part of Thai culture, and I think it's helpful to have the article named as it is. Wisekwai 16:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Clean Up

This article is full of useful information but is in need of serious clean-up. All the examples are cited arbitrarily without connections, and some issues should be grouped together. I will try to do this and let's see if there are any comments. 98.248.36.119 (talk) 04:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thai

The same kind of soap opera is also in Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Exactly the same kind but the Malaysian and Thai has longer runtime, but the style is basically the same. Consider move back to Lakorn.--110.49.249.40 (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't find any reliable sources that use the term "lakorn" to refer specifically to this television genre (only fan-based websites). If really necessary this could probably be renamed to something like Southeast Asian television soap opera/drama, but lakorn itself is problematic in that it properly refers to other traditional dances and plays as well. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The word lakorn

As noted above, the only sources I could find that use the word lakorn as a regular term are fan websites, which are not reliable sources. I have gone through the article, replacing the word with English terms. The article is still in horrible shape, though. It will probably need to be re-written if it is to be taken seriously. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Terminology

Popular Thai 'Lakorn' is not 'Soap Opera.' Without going into details, Soap Opera or primetime soap is a serial drama on television with no-specific end, and developed for TV one season at a time with the storylines that continue to develop from one season to the next.

Thai Lakorn should be called 'Limited Series, or Mini-series.' I've heard people refer to Lakorn as Soaps before in the past. I know it's wrong but it's their right to call it what they want. Unfortunately, this is Wikipedia and it is our responsibility to make sure the information presented here is corrected and with proper reference. I hope you understand my concern. Could you please correct this and use the proper terminology?

Thank youพระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Broader overview article

There really needs to be a broader overview article for Thai scripted TV series, properly outlining its scope and delineating its sub-genres. There's a pretty well-recognised distinction between traditional soaps (popularly referred to as ละคร ("lakorn") and teen series (especially those released since Hormones), as they're usually targeted squarely at different audiences, though the line is not always clearly drawn. Many teen series articles are linking back here, but this article doesn't cover them at all. Problem is I'm finding it really difficult to find reliable sources that explicitly describe this distinction, as it seems to be considered common knowledge. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

There's a plethora of academic papers, in Thai and English, covering the boom in Thai Yaoi/BL series since 2014, and a standalone article could easily be written on that. However, they don't really mention the wider genre difference. Some older articles do explain the genres, including sitcoms (which sit in a very clear category of their own), but they predate the 2010s' rise of the teen series format. There are articles and forum posts on fansites, and the distinction is clearly there in many news articles, where the mainstream channels' productions are referred to as lakhon/lakorn while Nadao's and GMMTV's are called series,[1][2] but the clearest line-drawing I've found is probably this press event for In Family We Trust where director Songyos explains the decision to create a lakhon rather than a series.[3] But then he's probably speaking more from a marketing standpoint, so it's not a great source either. Maybe a section under Television in Thailand would be the best way to go, given the limited available sources, and Thai drama should redirect there instead? --Paul_012 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Emperork, what do you think? Many of the articles you've created currently link here, though this article doesn't really describe those subjects. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, the original version of those articles I started were in this format sample: [ Thai romantic comedy-drama television series ]. Was just basing it on some television show articles I found within WP and I can't remember the conversation that we had with fellow editor @Nairb.Idi9: with the change from that format to this format: [ Thai television series ]. Here's probably where it started but I found it concise though, so I replicated/applied it to other articles. I'm open to discuss this further so as to prevent confusion on distinguishing lakorns from tv series. I also found this article from The Nation where it groups both lakorns and tv series as "television series" but it doesn't expound its difference though. I would be fine changing these temporarily to this format: [ Thai television series ] if it helps. — Emperork (talk) 02:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

At the very least, Thai television series should be linked directly without piping to Thai television soap opera. This is a classic case of WP:NOTBROKEN, since the redirect is likely to be changed when a better target is created. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC) Oh, it's not currently a redirect. Maybe it could point to Television in Thailand#Thai television content. It's where I'd expect the brief overview should be. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: I found some articles online talking about lakorns and tv series, and how it has also influenced the ASEAN market. Maybe you can check these: 1, 2 and 3 — Emperork (talk) 06:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

References

Distinctive?

The article says that the characteristics are distinctive to lakorns. I would disagree. The characteristics listed are exactly how most Korean, Taiwanese or Chinese dramas work (and even Japanese can fit here). I would also agree with the comment a few sections above that these series do not fit the general concept of soap operas like Brazilian or Turkish telenovelas do. These are similar to doramas, most run for one season and not for years on end. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 12:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: Any thoughts on this? — Emperork 🐋🐰 12:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Distinctive might not be the right word; that can easily be changed to characteristic or something, but the entire article needs to be rewritten as-is. The "soap opera" label might be inaccurate, but it is the term used by sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:28, 31 December 2020 (UTC)